prop8 BS
I said this on twitter this morning:
"I am so tired of all the prop 8 shit. tired of it when I voted on it, tired of it now. I don't like either side's arguments either."
And here's my deal:
I don't care who you fucking marry. I really don't*. The hetro crowd isn't doing great things with the institution anyway. I know God isn't a fan of the gay lifesytle, but ya know what? He dislikes divorce even more. (notice I didn't say he dislikes gays, just their sexual decisions. big difference that intolerant fucks don't get).
but yes. God HATES divorce. BIG TIME. what the fuck christiandom? There's divorce all over the place. Let's do something about that before we get all crazy about more marriages. It's not like we as Christians are doing any better with the divorce rate than the secular folks. Yes, I am a Christian and married so include myself with their ranks. However, when I made the vow UDDUP**, I meant it and plan to keep it. (for the record, Jews, Christians and Muslims all agree and believe the old testament and God's lack of compassion for same sex relations, so it's NOT just a Christian thing)
So, Gay and Lesbian people want the right to marry. go ahead! they can't do any worse than the Hetro couples have done. what about those atheist hetros who never want kids, getting married by a judge in court? No "family" potential there either. I however am tired of all the fucking whining "It's not fair! I want to marry who i love!" But it's not about that. No really, it's not.
stop and fucking read. then rant away.
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the whole argument comes down to ONE POINT.
The nature of being gay as a choice.
To most Christians (Jews, Muslims, etc) it's not a question of bigotry, as a skin color prejudice is, becasue gays CHOOSE to be gay, so why should they get special treatment for their choice?
Most Gays believe they are made that way and feel VERY differently. They feel persecuted, and understandably so. "I didn't choose to be like this. You're not giving me equal rights."
I'm quite sure some people DO choose to be gay. Good for you. While others KNOW they have been gay their entire lives. Good for you too. enjoy.
BUT UNTIL THIS ISSUE OF CHOICE IS SETTLED SCIENTIFICALLY THIS DEBATE WILL GO ON.
and sadly, even then it won't be over. How do you separate the ones that chose and didn't choose? Will the Conservative right accept the science?
there is nothing but drama in the future. and I HATE DRAMA.
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SO: gay marriage? frankly, I don't see the problem. I don't care much either way.
I DO CARE ABOUT DIVORCE.
Divorce is rampant and is destroying marriage and families all over this country. Divorce tears everyone involved asunder and scars them for life. Don't make it illegal, but bring back FAULT. Infidelity? great reason to divorce. "Oh I fell out of love," or "we just don't agree on things anymore." NOPE. NOT GOOD ENOUGH. Husband beats you? DIVORCE THE FUCKER. She won't give it up because she is an ice queen? NO CAN DO. Warm her up you fool.
If you're unhappy with my view, go ahead and comment. I'm sure God's a bit peeved at me too.
*okay, I lie. Don't marry idiots or abusive fuckers. That might help. And you might want to have known them more than a couple of hours. Seeing as you're going to spend the REST OF YOUR LIVES WITH THEM.
** Until Death Do You Part for the numbnuts out there
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It's "Hetero" not "hetro". :)
Choice...hmmm...religion is also a choice. No one is born a Christian (for example). Born "again"? Sure. But if you are born into a Christian family then your parents made that choice for you (and their parents the choice for them). If you'd been born in Iraq you'd be a Muslim. In India you might be Bhuddist. In Hollywood, a Scientologist.
Religious folk are given an awful lot of power (and tax breaks) for something that Science hasn't proven to be true.
Gays are asking for the Government, not the church, to recognize them as equal under the laws of marriage.
j.
Kir,
It's good to read a new blog post from you, but I have to disagree with your definition of choice.
Yes, there is a choice - and that choice is whether or not to be honest with oneself and others about his/her sexuality. That is the only choice involved. I am very much a believer in the Kinsey scale, and I have said for years that otherwise hetero people would have a homosexual experience for the right person, under the right circumstances. (Note: *I* am *never* the right person. But I digress. . .) Likewise, gay people "mess around" with people of the opposite sex on occasion, without identifying themselves as bisexual or some such label.
I think Anne Heche dating Ellen DeGeneres, for example, and then dating and marrying a man (and ultimately divorcing him) is more the exception to the rule, though I can't help but think that even if it were legalized everywhere, the divorce rate in the gay community would eventually rival that of the hetero community because there are larger cultural and social issues that lead to divorce. My point, though, is that sexuality itself is simply not a black and white issue. There are many shades of gray. (Actually, they are more like rainbow hues, much to the chagrin of people who just like rainbows.)
Part of the fear in the church, in my opinion, is that IF your needs (other than procreation, obviously) CAN be MET by someone of the SAME sex, would enough people simply NOT put up with the BULLS$%T that accompanies so many heterosexual relationships and allow themselves to at least ATTEMPT a successful same-sex relationship, if they were so inclined? And if so, how would that negatively affect/effect/infect the church as a whole? (Hint: It wouldn't, as evidenced by the All Saints Episcopal Church in Pasadena, whose member base has grown since "coming out" as a progressive, INclusive, rather than EXclusive, community.)
In the meantime we let bigotry and hatred prevail under the veil of, among other things, "The Word."
People want and deserve equality. Prop 8 was a step backwards in that fight.
I think there are 3 types of sexuality.. 100% Straight, Bisexuals, 100% Gay. I think there are as many 100% straights as there are 100% gays and the rest of the population are bisexuals. Anyone who thinks being gay is a choice..
Is most likely a bisexual.. because for them.. it is a choice. They could picture themselves in a situation where they'd be gay.. or choose not to be.(which I think A LOT of Bi's do)
If god wasn't a fictional character, i'm sure he wouldn't care about gays.. after all he created them.
Everyone points to a chapter Leviticus 18:22 "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." as god's law against homosexuality. It doesn't say punish.. but chapters of leviticus also include adultery (sex before marriage) and disobedient children.. where it says disobedient children should be killed by their parents in front of the town.. and that appears in the bible 6 times.. the bible is absolute about sex before marriage and killing disobedient children.. yet they latch onto homosexuals.
This is more about denying a group of taxpayers equal rights as the rest of us. This is our generation's version of civil rights.. and we've failed.
I'm not worried.. I'm betting withing the next 2 years gay marriage will be allowed in most parts of the country. The curmudgeons are dying off.
I take a different angle on this personally. I don't care if people are born gay (as I'm sure most are) or choose the lifestyle (which I, as you, am sure some do). As far as rights go, a gay couple should be afforded all the same rights as a married couple in the eyes of the law. The government on the other hand should not have the ability to mandate that any religious institution change a tenet of their core beliefs by forcing them to acknowledge and perform such unions.
I think the simplest thing would be for the states to divorce themselves from the process entirely, granting any consenting couple of age a civil union while allowing each religious institution to make their own choices. If marriage to you is about death benefits and taxes, then a civil union will suffice. If it's about pledging your love for another before your god then you can get married by/in the religious institution that suits your views and lifestyle.
Thats just my two cents.
Speak it, my brother! You know what side of that argument I'm on but I'm sick of hearing about it too. I wish the right thing would win out and no one would have to talk about it anymore and everyone would love each other and there would be peace. That would be awesome.
I dig your point of view on it, that divorce is an even bigger problem than gay marriage. You rarely hear that argument from anyone. I think it should just go one step farther and everything would be solved: do away with marriage! Awesome! Everyone wins!
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